Bruria was educated and a Torah scholar in her own right. You learn in kollel and you think all that women were lacking in the past was an education? It just shows you can be an avrech and a retard.
"They assumed what everyone else at that point in history assumed - that girls naturally had less intelligence than boys..." Projection is retarded. You don't know that. That's your own modern biases at work. I've learned a bit about what our mesorah says about women, and there is no such assumption. It says many things. It doesn't say that.
As far as reality, their average intelligence is equal to men. Their standard deviation is much lower. There are many fewer female than male outliers. There are fewer idiots, but there are also fewer high IQ women too.
And in case you want to say I quoted someone else, you concur:
"FWIW, my viewpoint on Orthodoxy and feminism is is similar to R Joshua Maroof’s, though I wouldn’t phrase it his way. I would phrase it that Chazal accurately understood women in their time, but nowadays that reality has changed due to women’s increasing education."
At this point I agree with you. I am a chassidish woman, and I teach and prepare students for the NYS CC Algebra 1 and Geometry regents. Shortly into adulthood I discovered the dark side of Torah, ironically, out of a spiritual pursuit in attempting to become a better Jew and person.
What I discovered, not only seemed to have some very deep logical fallacies, but also destroyed me emotionally. Here are the reasons why I choose to no longer fight for Torah.
1. I am no longer convinced that God is just and kind. This was obviously a blind belief I held before that was challenged by different ideas.
2. I am not convinced God is interested in women’s spiritual investments. (I can argue the point on both sides equally, so I don’t know)
3. Even if I would opt to “choose good” and choose to disregard things held dear in the larger orthodox community and Talmud in order to continue growing spiritually, I no longer have the emotional strength to do so. I did at first. But learning affected my self esteem and emotional and mental health negatively (once I started researching their attitude to women, before that it had the opposite effect on me). And every time I would try to push myself to go out of my way for spirituality, the first thought process I would have to deal with is “I’m not quiet convinced my efforts are wanted”. I pushed myself, swung back and forth between burning hatred to everything Jewish and telling myself that it’s wrong and they made a mistake and I need to rise above.
At this point, I am choosing to make my life productive and healthy in areas that don’t preach divine elitism, and enforce power structures that hurt vulnerable women. So yeah the Torah is toxic to women. I advise em all to stay as far away as possible. Like Rabbi Eliezer said “Rather burn the words of the Torah than hand them over to women”. Save your sanity and self esteem. There are many areas of intellectual pursuits, go where your wanted, and respected as an individual with strengths and weaknesses. You will get an opportunity to demonstrate your strengths to people who approach you with curiosity. Not to people who automatically think you’re an idiot.
I don't buy the idea that all sex differences in psychology are 100% due to "differences in the way men and women were taught, trained, and raised". This is blank slatist nonsense
Bruria was educated and a Torah scholar in her own right. You learn in kollel and you think all that women were lacking in the past was an education? It just shows you can be an avrech and a retard.
"They assumed what everyone else at that point in history assumed - that girls naturally had less intelligence than boys..." Projection is retarded. You don't know that. That's your own modern biases at work. I've learned a bit about what our mesorah says about women, and there is no such assumption. It says many things. It doesn't say that.
As far as reality, their average intelligence is equal to men. Their standard deviation is much lower. There are many fewer female than male outliers. There are fewer idiots, but there are also fewer high IQ women too.
And in case you want to say I quoted someone else, you concur:
"FWIW, my viewpoint on Orthodoxy and feminism is is similar to R Joshua Maroof’s, though I wouldn’t phrase it his way. I would phrase it that Chazal accurately understood women in their time, but nowadays that reality has changed due to women’s increasing education."
Here's an idea: girls should just learn math and science instead of Torah. Problem solved!
At this point I agree with you. I am a chassidish woman, and I teach and prepare students for the NYS CC Algebra 1 and Geometry regents. Shortly into adulthood I discovered the dark side of Torah, ironically, out of a spiritual pursuit in attempting to become a better Jew and person.
What I discovered, not only seemed to have some very deep logical fallacies, but also destroyed me emotionally. Here are the reasons why I choose to no longer fight for Torah.
1. I am no longer convinced that God is just and kind. This was obviously a blind belief I held before that was challenged by different ideas.
2. I am not convinced God is interested in women’s spiritual investments. (I can argue the point on both sides equally, so I don’t know)
3. Even if I would opt to “choose good” and choose to disregard things held dear in the larger orthodox community and Talmud in order to continue growing spiritually, I no longer have the emotional strength to do so. I did at first. But learning affected my self esteem and emotional and mental health negatively (once I started researching their attitude to women, before that it had the opposite effect on me). And every time I would try to push myself to go out of my way for spirituality, the first thought process I would have to deal with is “I’m not quiet convinced my efforts are wanted”. I pushed myself, swung back and forth between burning hatred to everything Jewish and telling myself that it’s wrong and they made a mistake and I need to rise above.
At this point, I am choosing to make my life productive and healthy in areas that don’t preach divine elitism, and enforce power structures that hurt vulnerable women. So yeah the Torah is toxic to women. I advise em all to stay as far away as possible. Like Rabbi Eliezer said “Rather burn the words of the Torah than hand them over to women”. Save your sanity and self esteem. There are many areas of intellectual pursuits, go where your wanted, and respected as an individual with strengths and weaknesses. You will get an opportunity to demonstrate your strengths to people who approach you with curiosity. Not to people who automatically think you’re an idiot.
Thank you for this warning.
I don't buy the idea that all sex differences in psychology are 100% due to "differences in the way men and women were taught, trained, and raised". This is blank slatist nonsense
Yes, I disagree with that strongly as well. Again, I did not write this - merely preserving it. Its irrelevent to the main point.