Enough to illicit a response like that? If someone has to tread so carefully about criticizing rabbonim to the extent where criticism that went “too far due to the tone being a little disrespectful” is met with this kind of response, I fear for this community.
Using VIN to bash community leaders is already a sign of disrespect.
In other venues, many great Talmidei Chachamim are expressing themselves in far sharper terms about this issue. But those expressions do not belong on the internet.
If the fight against Eretz Ha Kodesh stemmed from a desire to address a problem, than one could legitimately question as to whether it's the most important one to be addressing.
But it's not. It's about ego, power, and control.
And this is their vehicle.
Those behind this are not interested in your problems nor anyone else's.
You're completely missing the point. No one here cares for or against WZO. It's the fact that BMG is a money making business that couldn't give a sh** about the material, emotional, and even spiritual wellbeing of the Lakewood community.
Here, by the way, is an explainer of the WZO elections; mostly it's about the allocation of the 13% of Israeli land that still belongs to the Jewish National Fund.
No. They are not true. They have been fully investigated. Is it possible one baby survived in hospital and they couldn’t find the parents, so had it adopted? Sure thats a possibility.. no evidence that even that happened.
As per an independent investigation: 69% of the forcibly taken children were yemenite.The rest were NorthAfrican, excepting 2.5% who were european children
How many? I partake in that habit and can't imagine going back into a shul with the stank.
I remember being newly BT & seeing someone in our circle reading their open computer screen on Shabbos and My BT ² ex-wife huffing and puffing.
I stay aware of Christian nationalists huffing and puffing and the Lakewood and gentrification issues affecting gentile locals gives them additional grievance that they were additionally pre-wired to get aggrieved about.
Who inserted the wzo into the agenda for those folks who weren't participants?
Can someone help me understand why the op-ed was a Bizui of a Talmud chacon and not just a criticism?
The tone was a little disrespectful.
Enough to illicit a response like that? If someone has to tread so carefully about criticizing rabbonim to the extent where criticism that went “too far due to the tone being a little disrespectful” is met with this kind of response, I fear for this community.
You're understanding the situation exactly. This is indeed terrifying.
The venue.
Using VIN to bash community leaders is already a sign of disrespect.
In other venues, many great Talmidei Chachamim are expressing themselves in far sharper terms about this issue. But those expressions do not belong on the internet.
Please share those venue. Where can one share criticism with respect? The BMG coffee rooms?
The only ones to blame for this are the community leaders themselves.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
If the fight against Eretz Ha Kodesh stemmed from a desire to address a problem, than one could legitimately question as to whether it's the most important one to be addressing.
But it's not. It's about ego, power, and control.
And this is their vehicle.
Those behind this are not interested in your problems nor anyone else's.
It's not about solving a problem.
In Batei Midrashim, where great Talmidei Chachamim spend their time.
You are right as to the blame, but I, and you, only control our own behaviors.
Lol. So the anti WZO get to rant on Hefkervelt and everywhere else, whole those for should shut up?
I honestly have no issue with the psak against. It's the fact that this became such a Matzav when there are so much better issues is a disgrace.
Hefkervelt has both sides represented.
But you are right, Hefkervelt, as its name suggests, is not a respectable site either.
You're completely missing the point. No one here cares for or against WZO. It's the fact that BMG is a money making business that couldn't give a sh** about the material, emotional, and even spiritual wellbeing of the Lakewood community.
I don't know if Brisk has that much to do with it.
It is simply an elitist attitude which happens to correspond with the kind of bachur who goes to Brisk.
And don't worry, that article reflected the feeling of perhaps most rabbanim in Lakewood.
Really? Most are too scared to talk against the BMG RYs.
Nice!
Besides the Hoff-n-puff part.
Here, by the way, is an explainer of the WZO elections; mostly it's about the allocation of the 13% of Israeli land that still belongs to the Jewish National Fund.
https://traditiononline.org/tradition-questions-zionist-elections-jewish-election/
'where babies in hospitals were kidnapped and their parents told that they had died "
yair hoffman repeating slanderous nonsense.
Are those yemanite stories not true?
There's a sort of Zionist.out there that is Chareidi when it comes to them...
No. They are not true. They have been fully investigated. Is it possible one baby survived in hospital and they couldn’t find the parents, so had it adopted? Sure thats a possibility.. no evidence that even that happened.
'fully investigated'...
By whom?
Several independent commissions. Please learn history correctly.
Propaganda hogwash.
As per an independent investigation: 69% of the forcibly taken children were yemenite.The rest were NorthAfrican, excepting 2.5% who were european children
“forcibly taken”? 69% of what?
Do you see how silly that sounds?
Overdosing on what and smoking on Shabbos?
How many? I partake in that habit and can't imagine going back into a shul with the stank.
I remember being newly BT & seeing someone in our circle reading their open computer screen on Shabbos and My BT ² ex-wife huffing and puffing.
I stay aware of Christian nationalists huffing and puffing and the Lakewood and gentrification issues affecting gentile locals gives them additional grievance that they were additionally pre-wired to get aggrieved about.
Who inserted the wzo into the agenda for those folks who weren't participants?
Did a kid actually die in a car left behind?
Vey iz mir😟
Shonda for the goyim²👀